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The Yanks and the 4th; Girardi rips into team, and a look at the “core.”

July 4th, 2008 at 9:30 am · 5 Comments

The Boss
It’s his 78th birthday.

July 4th, 1939. Lou says goodbye.
1939.

Righetti 1983
…a no-hitter in 1983…

Fans realize Jeter has been naked this year.
2008. Fans realize the truth about
the 2008 Jeter.

News: Tabata has a severe hamstring injury. I would think he’s done for 2008. Matsui isn’t coming back anytime soon and could face surgery again…this time on the other knee. I love Godzilla, but if you can make a deal for him it may be for the best.

August and September of 2008 could be serious evaluation time. Meaning seeing exactly what you have in Gardner, Jason Jones, Robertson, Cox, etc. as for 2009 and the future.

I kept track of this before, then dropped off. Pete Abraham picks up the baton in mentioning that this was the 38th time in 86 games that the Yanks scored 3 runs or less. Given this lineup, did you see that coming?

UNHAPPY GIRARDI…

Girardi threw out the clubbies and security people before a 34 minute tirade. I would hope it was a tirade and not a talk. Pete Abraham reports that it was loud. Not profane, but loud. God only knows what Billy Martin would have done. It’s interesting that Hank said that jobs are on the line and that no one is safe. As if he is really going to send down a $16 million RF, $13 million LF, $18.6 million SS, etc. to SWB. You know damn well they can’t be benched, and that their ages and contracts preclude a deal. I’ve mentioned this on the show already. What will the Yanks do in two years with a 35 year old A-Rod, 36 year old Jeter (who probably shouldn’t be playing SS anymore at 36), 40 year old Mo (who seems ageless but you wonder when time will catch up with him) and 38 year old Posada on the same team? Fans don’t and won’t want to let them go, but with age comes more injuries and diminished production. By 2010, there is a good chance that Matsui, Damon and Abreu will no longer be Yanks…and I haven’t touched much of the pitching yet.

Speaking of age, can Alex act his? Last year it was Jocelyn Morse. This year Madonna. The Yanks don’t need this crap.

Pete Abraham sums it up (emphasis mine):

The Yankees have been held to two or fewer runs 28 times this season. That’s one third of the time. Jon Lester needed 105 pitches to throw a shutout. He’s good, but he’s not that good. The Yankees played like they had a cab to catch. Or Madonna’s limo.

Why Gardner should play…Plate patience alone. As the Truth has said for years, get hungry players…not fatcats. Players with something to prove and not something to show (their wallets).

Pete states:

It sounds good that they had a meeting. But think about it for a second, nearly half the team are guys just thrilled to be there. Yelling at Betemit, Molina, Gardner, Moeller, Gonzalez, Ponson, Rasner, Veras, Ramirez, Giese and Robertson accomplishes zippo. They have nothing to do with what’s going on or can’t do much to change it.

Girardi has to connect with the core guys. Jeter, Damon, Abreu, A-Rod, etc. The team will rise or fall on how they play. Joe Torre always found a way out of the woods, now Girardi has to find his path. This is what managing is about. Strategy is 10 percent, the rest is getting your guys to play the game right.

Now I have to make a point about something Pete says here. The problem is, the guys “just thrilled to be there” are the guys with something to prove and some are busting it pretty decently. While a Betemit, Moeller, Gonzo, & Ponson may not be long for the Yanks, others have either done well or could have significant futures with the team (Giese 2.82, Robertson 1.80 and a future, Edwar may not be with the team long as far as a future goes, but he’s at 3.10. Gardner may have a future if he can prove he can hit. Molina is signed for next year, and with Posada’s age and injuries, is needed. Veras has a 2.73).

As for the core guys, maybe (this’ll sound crude, but…) they have a baseball version of E.D. Meaning that they need some “Baseball Viagra.” They can’t do it all the time anymore. Jeter (34 and having the worst season of his career), Damon (34, 35 in November), Abreu (34 and slowly fading), A-Rod (33 in a few weeks but see above about acting his age). Torre could “find a way out of the woods” when his core guys are 30. It’s different when they are 34 or older. Far different.

Here is some homework, if you care to do it. Think about the greatest teams you ever saw play. Then go onto www.baseball-reference.com. Click on the link “Teams”. Scroll down to that team (i.e., if you are thinking 1986 Mets, you click on teams, then on New York Mets). Then click on the year. Check out the ages of the players on the team. Do that for a number of teams that you regard as the greatest of all time. Do you know what you will find? You will find that most of those teams had very few players over the age of 34. Heck, just look at Tampa this year.

The Yanks have names. Lots of names filling out uniforms. A lot of these names are over 34. It’s nice to see the names on the field. But the jerseys aren’t filled out by the same players anymore. The numbers on the back of the cards won’t read the same anymore. Rebuilding is necessary, and it’s going to take a while. Top-notch players in their prime is what is missing. How many of the Yankees “core” are in their PRIME YEARS? I’ve addressed this before. You can say ONE. Wang. By prime, I mean 27-32. Prime. Maybe I’m missing someone, but I don’t count Farnsworth as “core.” Alex turns 33 at the end of this month. How many believe that next year, players such as Jeter, Damon and Abreu (to mention some of the core…and that’s only if Abreu is back and Damon isn’t traded) will post better numbers? How many believe (as I do) that as they hit their mid-30s that they will continue to slow down?

It’s one thing to reach the core. It’s another thing for that core to be IN ITS PRIME. This Yankee team’s core, for the most part, is past that.

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5 responses so far ↓

  • 1 mike f // Jul 4, 2008 at 9:55 am

    really good post mike- the early playoff exits over the last three years have been particularly painful to me for just the reason you give above. i just keep wondering how long CAN this 1000 run per year bunch of guys actually last. it seems we have at last found out the answer to that. they lasted until this season. it’s just a real shame that yankee management with all their resources couldn’t put together a winning rotation since 2003 really.
    now i’m all for building from within as is the current rage, but it seems to me that even though the group of hitters we have are aging badly they might just have enough for a championship run in the last year of the stadium.
    the farm system collected by cashman we are told is over-flowing with talent-why not use some of that talent to actually go ahead and get a front line pitcher like CC? or how about using some of the “cashman collection” for some YOUNG exciting position players? anything…

  • 2 mike f // Jul 4, 2008 at 10:02 am

    PS — Happy 4th Mike!

  • 3 mike f // Jul 4, 2008 at 10:09 am

    i see melky’s two lucky hits yesterday have
    bought brett a ticket to the bench. thanks girardi—what about all the shake-ups we were hearing about.

    *disgusted* ( at least jorge is DH)

  • 4 Mike Sommer // Jul 4, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Forgot to mention above that Traber was recalled. I’d like to know at whose expense . If Robertson were shipped back, I’ll be p.o.’d. (Just found out…Alberto Gonzalez sent back). Temper getting back to normal.

    Bruney starts rehab with GCL today, according to Pete Abe. When he is ready, DO NOT SEND A KID BACK. Dump Hawkins instead.

    Unfortunately, while stocking some good young pitchers in the minors, there hasn’t been good position players at the top levels. So we are left with an aging lineup and pitchers “not ready for prime time.” The balance of pitching prospects AND young positional prospects slowly being integrated into this team isn’t being met. You need a bit of this and a dash of that…every year…to keep things fresh, make the lineup grow and ensure that you have enough “A” level players in their prime.

  • 5 Jason // Jul 4, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Good stuff, Mike and, based on my own morning post, I’m pretty much in agreement. I think Giese and Robertson need to stay unless they implode, and that hasn’t happened. Robertson allowed one run in his first inning and nothing in the next four. Giese has done it all except close, and with quality. Hawkins is short for this team. He’s mopping up, can’t be trusted with leads, and has an ERA near 6. I agree, when Bruney returns Hawkins–and not Giese or Robertson–needs to go.

    I’m not enamored with this team, Mike. Not impressed. So much of that lies with the offense. It’s full of potential but has produced decreasing results. It doesn’t hit as a unit. Key players are impatient. I’m convinced that most swing for the fences. Eight back early in the second half, yet again. I’m not convinced there will be a comeback resulting in a playoff spot whatsoever. They need to prove it to me. I believe it’s possible, just not as optimistic as I have been in years past. Based on recent years, that trajectory hasn’t worked well, either, probably tiring a clearly aging team.

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