I don’t think Josh (the Yankee Truth) likes the deal due to the 2004 memories, but I’ll have to e-mail him about it later.
I like it.
Today the Yankees shored up their rotation by trading Melky Cabrera to the Braves for Javier Vazquez (the Yanks also get Boone Logan in the deal while giving up Mike Dunn and Arodys Vizcaino).
Vazquez went 14-10, 4.91 for the Yanks in 2004, and was an all-star that year. He had a poor postseason, and gave up the curse-killing grand slam to JD in Game 7 of the ALCS that year. He started that year 10-5, 3.56 then went south after July 9th.
One thing, though. That year, Vazquez was supposed to be the ace, more or less. The Truth is, (sorry, Josh) that the Yanks really didn’t have an ace in 2004, which is why the ALCS collapse occured. Vazquez was 14-10, 4.91; Jon Lieber 14-8, 4.33; Kevin Brown 10-6, 4.09; Mike Mussina 12-9, 4.57; Jose Contreras 8-5, 5.64 when traded at the deadline; El Duque was 8-2, 3.30 after coming back. Only Vazquez gave 30 starts. Vazquez led the 2004 Yankees with 198 IP.
Now, (and I think this is huge), Vazquez doesn’t have to be the ace. Nor 2 or 3. He comes in as the #4 pitcher. A #4 who has been through the NY experience before. A #4 who won 15 games last year with an ERA of 2.87. The 33 year old is 142-139 in his career, 4.19 (ERA+ 107). But he eats innings. That 2004 campaign is the only year since 2000 that Vazquez did not pitch 200 innings. He throws heat (Josh does like the power pitchers). Now he joins Hughes, Joba, CC, AJ, Robertson as guys who can strike batters out (238 last year, 5x over 200 in his career). Not to mention Mo.
We aren’t talking ace here. We are talking a guy who is a legit #2 on most teams (and ace on some) coming in to be the #4 guy. Meaning the Yanks now have four starters who all could win say 14-15 games a year (and in some cases more).
…and it also means this. That #5 guy could come from a batch of Hughes, Joba, Aceves or Gaudin with the other three going to the bullpen. Say Hughes is the #5. You still have Aceves and Gaudin as long men and Joba and Robertson set up Mo.
How can you not like that?
The Yanks also get Boone Logan, a 25 year old lefty. HIs stats aren’t impressive, 1-1, 5.19 in 20 games for the Braves last year, 5-5, 5.78 in his career, but he’ll have the chance to take over the spot Phil Coke (traded to Detroit a few weeks ago in the Granderson deal) had last year. He looks like purely a LOOGY. Hey, the 6′5″ Logan is still young.
On the flip side, the Yanks do lose an OF. Personally, I don’t think Melky will hit as many HR in Atlanta as he did with the Yanks. There won’t be any “Melk” to go with AJ’s pies so we’ll have to see what other moves Cashman has up his sleeve.
Melky hit .274-13-68 with 10 sb (OPS+ 99) for the Yanks in 2009. The 25 year old OF is a .269 hitter, career OPS+ still only 88. His 162 g. average is .269-10-65, 13 sb. Nice little OF. But for a #4 starter who can possibly win 15? Expendable.
Of course for now, Brett Gardner is a winner. But somehow I see Gardner as the 4th OF (PR/Def. replacement) next year.
So if Granderson is in CF and Swisher in RF, who’s in LF?
I don’t see Bay or Holliday. Could JD return even though it’s been ruled out? Is there enough in the budget (now back over $200 M) for JD? Can you picture this?
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixiera 1B
Alex 3B
Granderson CF (yeah, I know…I really don’t like him here at 5 but…)
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Johnson DH
Johnson (who had a .426 OBP last year) and whose 162 g. average is .273-19-80 with 102 walks hitting 9th? How insane would that be? ..and don’t forget, Nick Swisher, despite the .249 average, had 97 walks last year. Insane.
I hear DeRosa talk for LF. DeRosa is 34 (35 in Feb.) and looking in the $6M range. I don’t know how low JD will come down to in his negotiations. I don’t think he’ll be back (he said as much, but as that James Bond movie said, Never Say Never Again). DeRosa went .250-23-78 for Cle/StL last year. OPS+ 99. He is versatile.
I, however, would suggest someone else. Move Granderson to LF and go after Marlon Byrd for CF. Byrd is cheaper (just a bit over $3M last year) and at 32, a little younger than DeRosa. He hit .283-20-89 last year (OPS+ 106). His 162 game average is .279-12-69, OPS+ 99. The HR and RBI were career highs as he never had more than 10 HR before but in the past three seasons Byrd hit .307, .298 and .283.
DeRosa has a 162 game average of .275-14-68, OPS+ 97. The numbers compared to Byrd are similar. DeRosa is older. Byrd allows Granderson to go to LF (or vice-versa) and allows for better OF defense. Byrd, a righty, I think complements Gardner. Both are CF and Granderson switches to LF. With DeRosa, Gardner is pushed more in the background since DeRosa plays LF, Granderson CF.
So if JD, Holliday and Bay are off the radar for monetary reasons, and Byrd fits the plans, how would you like this (and in this case, my lineup puts Granderson back at #2 since no JD).
Jeter SS
Granderson LF
Teixeira 1B
Alex 3b
Johnson DH (that OBP in front of Posada, Cano and Swisher)
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Byrd CF
All in all, not too bad.
Cashman has another trick up his sleeve. OF, specifically a LF. The question is when does he pull the rabbit out of the hat and who will that rabbit be?
The other thing I wonder with the deal of Melky is this—how high are the Yanks on that Rule 5 player, Jamie Hoffmann?
Also going to the Braves were Michael Dunn (the 24 year old lefty had a cup of tea with the Yanks in 2009, 4-3, 3.31 in AA/AAA) 99 K in 73 1/3 minor league innings) and 19 year old Arodys Vizcaino, who in short season Staten Island was 2-4, 2.13 in 10 games and a top prospect.
Update: I really think this deal is the straw that broke the camel’s back regarding Wang coming back or even the Yanks possibly signing Ben Sheets as a reclamation project (really, both would be). Now to see what Cash does for LF.
I wonder if the onus is on JD. Looking at the makeup of the team, JD has to be salivating for another ring. But does he (like A-Rod) do his own deal and basically tell Boras to stick it? Granted JD may have to come back at less than he would want.
In other words, the money elsewhere….or the RING here?

5 responses so far ↓
1 Jason // Dec 22, 2009 at 6:40 pm
No offense to Josh, or anyone else with ill will toward Vasquez or others from 2004, but I really think it’s time to move past 2004 as a whole as a parameter for our vista as fans. That’s past. Vasquez is five years removed from then, pitched on a bum shoulder, and has been pretty reliable as well as pretty good. He is slotted to be a #4 starter and, should he post numbers such as 15-10, 4.20 ERA, over 200 innings and a K/IP, that’s pretty damn good for a #4. On the Yankees, with their lineup, that’s certainly possible. Nor is it a bad thing that he is entering the final year of his contract, perhaps providing some additional focus and incentive. If healthy and if he keeps the ball down, Vasquez should be fine.
I like the deal. The Yankees have the best rotation in the majors in my opinion.
2 swedski // Dec 23, 2009 at 7:31 am
Like Mikey said, I like the deal. You hit the nail o the head in how it does good things for the rotation, lets Joba start, get Hughes up to 160 innings next year and if it works out 2011 is CC AJ Vasquez Joba and Hughes. Not bad. I like trying to match Wangs price if it is reasonable as insurance and for the future. Lastly lets hope as you said Cashman and Johnny D can swing a reasonable deal and then that line-up is kick !”#. If not their are worse things than having BG bat ninth. Lastly anyone hear anything about Molina? Will the Yanks go with Cervelli? Hope its not a dumb question but I haven’t heard anything here in Sweden.
3 Jason // Dec 23, 2009 at 8:16 am
My understanding, Mark, is that Cervelli will be the backup. Not a dumb question.
4 Mike Sommer // Dec 23, 2009 at 11:24 am
Vazquez can be a free agent after 2010. Of course, Cliff Lee can be too… ( ;-) ).
True about Cervelli.
5 mike f // Dec 23, 2009 at 11:53 am
love the trade- who in their right mind wouldn’t? except robbie cano who will be looking for a new playmate. Mike if they signed Byrd, which i’m not in love with, but IF they signed him I would still prefer granderson in CF. I’m worried about de rosa’s wrist.. we’ll see. we look pretty loaded this year for a repeat
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